Netizens-Digest Wednesday, April 23 2003 Volume 01 : Number 510 Netizens Association Discussion List Digest In this issue: Re[2]: [netz] Responsible information providers Re: [netz] Responsible information providers Re[2]: [netz] Responsible information providers [netz] Online Advocacy and Lobbying Panel Session Webcast [netz] w3c standards Re: [netz] w3c standards [netz] CNN.com - Virus mutations add to SARS puzzle - Apr. 23, 2003 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 01:01:57 +0200 From: Dan Duris Subject: Re[2]: [netz] Responsible information providers LDQ> Hello: Yes I know, but then Mark, Larry or Dan didn't create netizens and neither LDQ> did we. The Haubens created the entire thing and I always want to hear what they LDQ> have to say about an issue affecting netizens whether I agree with it or not. Also That's not always the most important thing. You could even establish your own forum on this issue, if you wanted. Netizens are all around, not only those 74 subscribers to this list. Certainly, it is interesting to read what Haubens say, but for me it's important to read also what you say and what others say. I think there is nothing like "being expert on netizenship" - everybody can examine the whole concept or do some analyze to some degree and everybody can even post his own opinions online, even fascists at stormfront.org. However, we can differ here on the matter if free speech on the internet should be really free or censored in some cases (nazis, racists etc.). It's quite late here so I am not sure if this was understandable... dan - -------------------------- email: dusoft@staznosti.sk ICQ: 17932727 *- what about 21th century fox? :-) -* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 08:33:07 -0400 From: Luis De Quesada Subject: Re: [netz] Responsible information providers Hello: To me it is important, because they created the list. I appreciate that you also want to hear my opinions and you've been hearing them since day one. For example in matters of recordings I'd always want to hear what RCA Victor has to say, because they were pioneers on this field,even though they might have been beaten to the punch by other companies. There are other people that would go to Sony or some other "Johnny Come Lately", but I always like to consult the pioneers and if a particular one is not around, then I go by "seniority" on the field. Its a matter of preference, it may not always be the best thing to do but that's the way I am. Luis Dan Duris wrote: > LDQ> Hello: Yes I know, but then Mark, Larry or Dan didn't create netizens and neither > LDQ> did we. The Haubens created the entire thing and I always want to hear what they > LDQ> have to say about an issue affecting netizens whether I agree with it or not. Also > That's not always the most important thing. You could even establish > your own forum on this issue, if you wanted. Netizens are all around, > not only those 74 subscribers to this list. Certainly, it is > interesting to read what Haubens say, but for me it's important to > read also what you say and what others say. > > I think there is nothing like "being expert on netizenship" - everybody > can examine the whole concept or do some analyze to some degree and > everybody can even post his own opinions online, even fascists at > stormfront.org. However, we can differ here on the matter if free > speech on the internet should be really free or censored in some cases > (nazis, racists etc.). It's quite late here so I am not sure if this > was understandable... > > dan > -------------------------- > email: dusoft@staznosti.sk > ICQ: 17932727 > > *- what about 21th century fox? :-) -* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:17:16 -0400 From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" Subject: Re[2]: [netz] Responsible information providers Dan Duris wrote, >I welcome your efforts to set guidelines. Actually, I really liked >what I saw. Where I think I'm going, Dan, is to try to get my arms around the connectivity requirements for universal access, at least for participation in the political/decisionmaking process. Knowing what services might be accessed starts defining the user requirements. We obviously need to know what Netizen users want to do, with respect to the services (i.e., as distinct from content). I believe there are two aspects to solving the digital divide problem. In countries where there is cable television distribution to the home, that forms an absolute requirement for broadband. Other applications' bandwidth are trivial in comparison. In countries that don't have this, we have to rely on the bandwidth available from dialup on sometimes old lines, or through cellular telephony. Both are bandwidth limited. xDSL isn't necessarily a general solution because it will work only over high-grade telephone lines. > >I think that's a good base for further ideas. BTW: Maybe also W3C >standards should be introduced to guidelines about websites. I think >today there are not so many pages that validates and that's a problem. By validation, are you saying sites that require user registration? >We have to make sites that validates since they don't require a user >to have a special browser. I know that I'm frustrated by sites that I can't access, even with a quite powerful computer on a broadband link, because I don't have the most recent plugin, or the plugin isn't supported on a Mac. I would like to see a W3C "minimum function" standard, if it doesn't now exist, that websites would support as an alternate, resource-conserving mode. We'd probably need add a parameter to the HTTP GET to indicate whether minimum functionality is desired. Essentially, I'm thinking of a perhaps-informal "Netizen Compliant" site marker that means that the site is intended for universal access, and follows the permitted-contents guidelines I drafted. >Accessibility part in your email is great, >too. I completely agree on that. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:18:59 -0500 From: "Steven Clift" Subject: [netz] Online Advocacy and Lobbying Panel Session Webcast For those of you interested in online activism - this webcast on online advocacy and lobbying puts a more institutional twist on effective ways to use this medium to organize and make your voice heard in the political process. Steven Clift http://www.publicus.net P.S. I am always interested hearing about online advocacy success stories and lessons learned for my Democracies Online Newswire <- subscribe free here. *** Democracies Online Newswire - http://e-democracy.org/do *** ---- Please Forward ---> Online Advocacy and Lobbying Webcast This event was hosted by E-Democracy and the Institute for New Media Studies at the University of Minnesota. Have you ever wondered: - - What were the top e-mails received by Governor Jesse Ventura? - - What people think when an interest group doesn't have a website? - - What is an advanced collaborative online advocacy network? - - What is online advocacy and lobbying anyway? If so, then listen to the online advocacy webcast from: http://www.e-democracy.org/neoamn Or directly from: http://www.inms.umn.edu/neoamn/onlineadvocacypanel.ram The webcast includes audio with Power Point slides in Real format or audio-only for download in MP3. Short and to the point panelist presentations were followed by audience questions and an engaging discussion and debate. This is one of the best panel sessions ever held on this topic in general, and likely the only one freely available on the Internet. Minnesota is known for its depth of online political activity - lessons learned here are valuable everywhere. The dynamic panelists include: Robbie LaFluer - Director, Minnesota Legislative Reference Library Marcia Avner - Public Policy Director, Minnesota Council of Non-Profits - Author, Lobbying and Advocacy Handbook for Nonprofit Orgs. David Strom - Legislative Director, Taxpayers League of Minnesota Brian Elliott - Political Coordinator, Clean Water Action Alliance - Minnesota Environmental Action Network Christine Nelson - Former Director of Citizen Outreach, Governor Ventura's Office Linda Jean Kensicki - Panel Moderator - Asst. Professor, School of Journalism and Mass Communication, University of Minnesota Stay tuned next week for the announcement about the Net & Elections panel or get a preview at the same site. Sincerely, Steven Clift Visiting Fellow - February 2003 Institute for New Media Studies, University of Minnesota ^ ^ ^ ^ Steven L. Clift - W: http://www.publicus.net Minneapolis - - - E: clift@publicus.net Minnesota - - - - - T: +1.612.822.8667 USA - - - - - - - ICQ: 13789183 *** Past Messages, Discussion http://e-democracy.org/do *** *** To subscribe, e-mail: listserv@tc.umn.edu *** *** Message body: SUB DO-WIRE *** *** To UNSUBSCRIBE instead, write: UNSUB DO-WIRE *** *** Please send submissions to: clift@publicus.net *** - ------- End of forwarded message ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:38:04 +0200 From: Dan Duris Subject: [netz] w3c standards >>I think that's a good base for further ideas. BTW: Maybe also W3C >>standards should be introduced to guidelines about websites. I think >>today there are not so many pages that validates and that's a problem. HCB> By validation, are you saying sites that require user registration? What I meant was this: W3C sets the standards or norms for HTML and nowadays also XHTML (XML). So there is the standard for HTML v4.0, v3.0 etc. Sites that keep up with standards should have introduced some special HTML tags. I'll go little technical here: page: index.htm this tag means that page complies with HTML v4.01 Transitional this tag says it uses win-1250 charset... etc. There are many forbidden tags that does not comply with the standards. E.g. there are tags only for use in Internet Explorer and they won't work anywhere else. Netscape, Lynx or Mozilla will not display them (they will ingore them) and site won't be displayed properly. But Microsoft likes to make things their way - they want us to use their proprietary software and even their tags, so other browsres will ignore their tags and the site will look strange. So basically you wouldn't want to use other browsers for this. But I use Mozilla (www.mozilla.org) and it is really great browser, sometimes slower, but still great (it displays sites as standard HTML was defined). So our goal for the content part should be also keeping the standards set by W3C. Everyone can do a check on his favourite site: http://validator.w3.org dan - -------------------------- email: dusoft@staznosti.sk ICQ: 17932727 *- win sux, use mr. red hat :-) -* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:37:52 -0400 From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" Subject: Re: [netz] w3c standards At 10:38 PM +0200 4/22/03, Dan Duris wrote: > >>I think that's a good base for further ideas. BTW: Maybe also W3C >>>standards should be introduced to guidelines about websites. I think >>>today there are not so many pages that validates and that's a problem. >HCB> By validation, are you saying sites that require user registration? > >What I meant was this: W3C sets the standards or norms for HTML and >nowadays also XHTML (XML). So there is the standard for HTML v4.0, >v3.0 etc. Sites that keep up with standards should have introduced >some special HTML tags. I'll go little technical here: Oh, OK. Slight terminology difference--I would have called that standards conformance. You obviously know (X)HTML better than I do. Is there a capability by which the client can state capabilities on login, so the server could automatically switch to a low-bandwidth mode, or does that have to be programmed explicitly? I'm thinking of the Netizen with limited connectivity. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 06:08:10 -0700 (PDT) From: lgd1@columbia.edu Subject: [netz] CNN.com - Virus mutations add to SARS puzzle - Apr. 23, 2003 - ------=_Part_53329_5024256.1051103290649 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: INLINE *Please note, the sender's email address has not been verified. Hello: I think it also pertains to netizens to be aware and communicate with others information about this dangerous epidemic. Luis de Quesada ******************** If you are having trouble with any of the links in this message, or if the URL's are not appearing as links, please follow the instructions at the bottom of this email. 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